Bounce Boing Voyage On Nokia N900 Looks Awesome!!!!!
by ganxta » 07 Sep 2009, 07:43
apo. do you have a n97 ? no ? so pls shut up thx. i browse with it EVERY DAY. so i KNOW what im talking about. symbian freak page ? no problem. all about symbian ? no problem too. and on my own forum i browse a thread which was 15 (!!!!!) megs big without a crash. and kinetic scrolling, dpad and the display angle makes it a good tablet replacement thats right.
facebook i havnt test it cause i dont use it. but in all commercials of the device i saw the focus was EVER on internet features and NOT on hardware aspects. it was announced as a internet device and thats fact. and in my opinion it does the job very well.
but well apo. i read enaugh of your posts to have my opinion about you. you arent as professional as you want to be, you know. but thats a different story. and we better stop this off topic now. looking forward for n900 anway. its a good device. and a good alternative for n97. our board will review it in the next 3 weeks.
facebook i havnt test it cause i dont use it. but in all commercials of the device i saw the focus was EVER on internet features and NOT on hardware aspects. it was announced as a internet device and thats fact. and in my opinion it does the job very well.
but well apo. i read enaugh of your posts to have my opinion about you. you arent as professional as you want to be, you know. but thats a different story. and we better stop this off topic now. looking forward for n900 anway. its a good device. and a good alternative for n97. our board will review it in the next 3 weeks.
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by Apocalypso » 07 Sep 2009, 07:55
No, I haven?t N97, I sent it back after two weeks or so as it worth nothing for me!
No I am not professional writer or paid blogger neither my intention is to be, I'm just a freak, take it or leave it, there are bunch of other Nokia centric Symbian blogs and forums heavily sponsored by Nokia and it is really up to you which one you?ll follow, if SF is to critical for than go there, this is not Nokia neither N97 forum and N97 is here nothing but yet another Nokia device that fails to live up to expectations and fails to carry out the claims of the advertisements
No I am not professional writer or paid blogger neither my intention is to be, I'm just a freak, take it or leave it, there are bunch of other Nokia centric Symbian blogs and forums heavily sponsored by Nokia and it is really up to you which one you?ll follow, if SF is to critical for than go there, this is not Nokia neither N97 forum and N97 is here nothing but yet another Nokia device that fails to live up to expectations and fails to carry out the claims of the advertisements
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by Any1e » 07 Sep 2009, 08:19
Heh , it is funny what is going on here.
Anyway before both of your childish way goes on. I though of posting this (It was supposed to be posted since n900 leaked):
I didn't review or did any more working on the following post. (Just take the ideas)
Ok I am not going to introduce myself or anything.
For god-sake you all here are calling yourselves "Symbian-Freak" although Bartulovic registered maemo-freak.
Let me try to answer this type of complaining "I am gona suicide! n97 is totally been crushed by n900!" n900 is maemo , n97 is symbian. Be happy you are able to run Symbian programs under n97 where you can't under n900.
Lets move into clearning maemo releated stuff (programs/developing/etc ...)
For new comers to maemo , I say welcome
First thing you should know about maemo is semi-open sourced (Although I am sure at maemo 5 stage it achieved to open source more of its own parts/rewritten others *GSM part is still questionable*) Maemo is simply using Linux kernel/Debian/Gnome and you can go and consider it open source.
For those of you who are aware of linux distros ,you will know they get some cool names for their distros and Maemo is no exception. Maemo 5 is called Fremantle (Consider it as S60v2, S60v3, somehow) and the upcoming OS is called Harmattan which going to be based on QT (Fremantle based on GTK+)
Office:
if you are sick of quickoffice and the limitation of symbian GUI programs, you can try to use OpenOffice writer which is the same as the one you are using with your computer.
Bluetooth:
Maemo is using bluez , So NO you won't be limit to a few functions of bluetooth or you can't send or receive files (like someone said here) (In my opinion you can do much more with bluez than symbian's bluetooth application) like viewing raw HCI data and so on...
Twitter:
Those who are interested in services such as twitter , you can go an try Mauku 2.0
Games:
I am not going to talk more about this ,but I feel majority of symbian users won't like maemo games. (More of ports/less commercial)
Mono/Net framworks:
I felt that I should mention. you can run programs (C#/VB.net programs) with exceptions to the ones which uses windows API's)
Radio:
At the time when n900 released It won't have any Radio Application (The hardware part is exist), so nokia will be depending on the community for providing the application.
MMS:
No MMS , Sorry.
OS part:
Thanks goodness you aren't limited as you were with Symbian devices to one OS. You can flash your device with a newer OS (For old devices it may require hacking). You are also not limited by using the official Maemo build from Nokia. You can go and try Android. The best part for KDE fan is being able to use. Usually some recoding would be needed but you can get your os running ,but not windows (ARM reason).
[pictures / video to be included]
(Search youtube/google - I don't have time for this)
Swap (RAM):
Don't tell me you never heard about swap, if you just like the idea of 1 GB RAM then you can have 30GB swap (Virtual RAM) on the device. This even include the rest of Internet Tablets. what matters here RAM is faster than harddisk (RAM>Flash>HDD).
Openness:
Maemo is more opened than Symbian. No symbian sign and no hasel at all. get your program compiled and then feel free to execute it. Gaining access is piece of cake.
Developers base:
Developers are existed for Maemo, and they are more likely to port linux programs into maemo, Overall porting programs from linux to Maemo is easier than going the same route for symbian.
Ports:
In responding about Maemo programs, Porting with maemo is really a pleasure & easy thing (depends on the program itself), porting linux program where the source code available and depends can be ressolved on Maemo, with just few lines modifying will get your program running under maemo, however usually porting program should mean giving it the same UI as normal maemo programs which might take an extra work , but never the less it an easy task and much more fun.
I feel these things you need to know about maemo before you change your train.
Maemo is more around the community, Maemo is considered hackers/programmers gadget pick. What this means to you, don't except a smooth device with zero hasle and ready to use device (It still easy and Nokia/maemo tries their best to deliver the best of what they could), but be sure you will play config files to customize it the way you like. Unless you are happy with what you can get then you find any problem with that (Linux users will feel more in home)
This device is meant for power-users (Whom can accept handling some problems by their own), if you can't bear it then symbian is better for you. It had alots of enhancement and more stable. For those of you and before considering yourself a power user, 1% of the less than the half of whom are here I might go and consider them power users but the rest of you , NO (Sorry ,but thats the truth). However if you didn't destroy something or made a mistake you wont learn and will stay in your same place. To get yourself ready I suggest installing Linux and get ready ,if you need any help with linux (We as a community) we'd be happy to help ,but make sure you google & read first. You can neglect the last step if you just going to use it for listening to music/smsing and that kind of stuff.
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Out of that, Seriously Ganxta (PMing is more professional than your method).
Teo: Get Pro in blogging way. I am following this site since the beginning and even Symbian before it. I can see the mistakes and typos you do (You looks like you do it all by hand) for maemo part get a real blogging script and separate it than the main symbian-freak + share the same forum would do it.
Anyway a lots of what Ganxta mentioned is true take a look into it to improve yourself. Although I disagree on few of his points but this isn't the place to discuss it.
Anyway before both of your childish way goes on. I though of posting this (It was supposed to be posted since n900 leaked):
I didn't review or did any more working on the following post. (Just take the ideas)
Ok I am not going to introduce myself or anything.
For god-sake you all here are calling yourselves "Symbian-Freak" although Bartulovic registered maemo-freak.
Let me try to answer this type of complaining "I am gona suicide! n97 is totally been crushed by n900!" n900 is maemo , n97 is symbian. Be happy you are able to run Symbian programs under n97 where you can't under n900.
Lets move into clearning maemo releated stuff (programs/developing/etc ...)
For new comers to maemo , I say welcome
First thing you should know about maemo is semi-open sourced (Although I am sure at maemo 5 stage it achieved to open source more of its own parts/rewritten others *GSM part is still questionable*) Maemo is simply using Linux kernel/Debian/Gnome and you can go and consider it open source.
For those of you who are aware of linux distros ,you will know they get some cool names for their distros and Maemo is no exception. Maemo 5 is called Fremantle (Consider it as S60v2, S60v3, somehow)
and the upcoming OS is called Harmattan which going to be based on QT (Fremantle based on GTK+)
Office:
if you are sick of quickoffice and the limitation of symbian GUI programs, you can try to use OpenOffice writer which is the same as the one you are using with your computer.
Bluetooth:
Maemo is using bluez , So NO you won't be limit to a few functions of bluetooth or you can't send or receive files (like someone said here) (In my opinion you can do much more with bluez than symbian's bluetooth application) like viewing raw HCI data and so on...
Twitter:
Those who are interested in services such as twitter , you can go an try Mauku 2.0
Games:
I am not going to talk more about this ,but I feel majority of symbian users won't like maemo games. (More of ports/less commercial)
Mono/Net framworks:
I felt that I should mention. you can run programs (C#/VB.net programs) with exceptions to the ones which uses windows API's)
Radio:
At the time when n900 released It won't have any Radio Application (The hardware part is exist), so nokia will be depending on the community for providing the application.
MMS:
No MMS , Sorry.
OS part:
Thanks goodness you aren't limited as you were with Symbian devices to one OS. You can flash your device with a newer OS (For old devices it may require hacking). You are also not limited by using the official Maemo build from Nokia. You can go and try Android. The best part for KDE fan is being able to use. Usually some recoding would be needed but you can get your os running ,but not windows (ARM reason).
[pictures / video to be included]
(Search youtube/google - I don't have time for this)
Swap (RAM):
Don't tell me you never heard about swap, if you just like the idea of 1 GB RAM then you can have 30GB swap (Virtual RAM) on the device. This even include the rest of Internet Tablets. what matters here RAM is faster than harddisk (RAM>Flash>HDD).
Openness:
Maemo is more opened than Symbian. No symbian sign and no hasel at all. get your program compiled and then feel free to execute it. Gaining access is piece of cake.
Developers base:
Developers are existed for Maemo, and they are more likely to port linux programs into maemo, Overall porting programs from linux to Maemo is easier than going the same route for symbian.
Ports:
In responding about Maemo programs, Porting with maemo is really a pleasure & easy thing (depends on the program itself), porting linux program where the source code available and depends can be ressolved on Maemo, with just few lines modifying will get your program running under maemo, however usually porting program should mean giving it the same UI as normal maemo programs which might take an extra work , but never the less it an easy task and much more fun.
I feel these things you need to know about maemo before you change your train.
Maemo is more around the community, Maemo is considered hackers/programmers gadget pick. What this means to you, don't except a smooth device with zero hasle and ready to use device (It still easy and Nokia/maemo tries their best to deliver the best of what they could), but be sure you will play config files to customize it the way you like. Unless you are happy with what you can get then you find any problem with that (Linux users will feel more in home)
This device is meant for power-users (Whom can accept handling some problems by their own), if you can't bear it then symbian is better for you. It had alots of enhancement and more stable. For those of you and before considering yourself a power user, 1% of the less than the half of whom are here I might go and consider them power users but the rest of you , NO (Sorry ,but thats the truth). However if you didn't destroy something or made a mistake you wont learn and will stay in your same place. To get yourself ready I suggest installing Linux and get ready ,if you need any help with linux (We as a community) we'd be happy to help ,but make sure you google & read first. You can neglect the last step if you just going to use it for listening to music/smsing and that kind of stuff.
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Out of that, Seriously Ganxta (PMing is more professional than your method).
Teo: Get Pro in blogging way. I am following this site since the beginning and even Symbian before it. I can see the mistakes and typos you do (You looks like you do it all by hand) for maemo part get a real blogging script and separate it than the main symbian-freak + share the same forum would do it.
Anyway a lots of what Ganxta mentioned is true take a look into it to improve yourself. Although I disagree on few of his points but this isn't the place to discuss it.
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by gsmyoda » 07 Sep 2009, 08:47
Really? You're just making yourself looks like a fool now. "N97 was NEVER supposed to be a flagship". THEN WHY IS IT A NOKIA N97? The N9x series are Nokia's FLAGSHIP DEVICES. The N9x series are supposed to be Nokia's HIGH-END DEVICES, that's why they're the 9x series. The moment it was announced to be the "N97" two things were certain, it was a flagship and it was supposed to be high-end.ganxta wrote:Apocalypso wrote:Wake up, stop dreaming and try to be more realistic! I do understand that you like N97 but you have to admit that Nokia N97 is nothing but the bad joke, Nokia has managed to trick their users with a fake flagship device and then release a better but cheaper device just a few months after and if there are something childish on SF forum it is your Nokia defending comments!
sorry to have to say that. but the only joke i see in this forum is YOU, dear apo. its getting harder and harder to take you serious as a admin of such a big board. with such childish arguments. n97 was NEVER supposed to be a flasgship. it was announced as a social device and internet tablet replacement. and that job the n97 does superb.
they never tricked the users cause they never promoted it as a highend flasgship. and for a social and internet orientated device tha gaming capabilities are really good and thats fact. and i dont interest in this childish gameplay vs graphic thread in this board too. cause I AM realistic. and i always prefer good gameplay over good graphics. the only one who should wake up dear apo, IS YOU.
Cmon man, gameplay vs graphics. What you're saying is very true! Why settle for one though? With the N97 you're settling for, alright, i'll agree with you on this one, gameplay. BUT, with the Apple iphone, you get gameplay AND WAY BETTER GRAPHICS! I am also being realistic, and not childish. I switched from my N95 to an apple iphone 3gs and let me tell you, it's amazing even though its lacking hardware buttons. The games are out of this world compared to the PoS you get on Ngage.
With the upcoming N900, i'm glad Nokia is stepping up its game and finally putting decent hardware in a device.
Any1e wrote:Games:
I am not going to talk more about this ,but I feel majority of symbian users won't like maemo games. (More of ports/less commercial)
I agree with this at the moment. I believe though the N900 has a bright future of games ahead. To my knowledge, precluding Maemo 5, open developers really didnt have access to 3d libraries so they werent able to make any 3d games (just a bunch of 2d ones using SDL, etc.). With Maemo 5 they're finally opening things up and allowing us to use OpenGL ES 2.0, so I'm excited to see what open projects sprawl out (including some that I have planned myself).
Isnt .Net framework a windows API?Any1e wrote:Mono/Net framworks:
I felt that I should mention. you can run programs (C#/VB.net programs) with exceptions to the ones which uses windows API's)
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by Apocalypso » 07 Sep 2009, 08:56
Any1e wrote:Teo: Get Pro in blogging way. I am following this site since the beginning and even Symbian before it. I can see the mistakes and typos you do (You looks like you do it all by hand) for maemo part get a real blogging script and separate it than the main symbian-freak + share the same forum would do it
No, this is just an enthusiastic site that I am running in my spare time and I have really no intention to make it more professional.
Any1e wrote: You looks like you do it all by hand
Yep, there is no CPM, I?m codder, an old school webmaster who prefer not to be limited by CPM.
Any1e wrote: for maemo part get a real blogging script and separate it than the main symbian-freak
Complete face lift is on the way, for Sf and few other sites that will be part of the freakin? org
Any1e wrote: + share the same forum would do it
You read my mind.
Any1e wrote:Anyway a lots of what Ganxta mentioned is true take a look into it to improve yourself. Although I disagree on few of his points but this isn't the place to discuss it.
No I don?t like idea of censoring myself and I?ll never do it, I know I am kind of a devil's advocate sometimes but that?s my well known style, always critical and straight to the point.
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by Any1e » 07 Sep 2009, 09:26
@doks : Wise dissuesion as n900 is leaking a lots of phone features.
@gsmyoda : There are some concerns about openGL and gaming with n900 (an small recompiled file from community to enable it)
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_API
And check this one as well: http://mono-project.com/Main_Page
@Apocalypso : "Improve yourself" = Reading a book or two about programming with C++ or any language you like. (Python isn't a language of choice here). I might suggest as you are running Symbian-Freak to learn C++ and then slowly move into Symbian C++. This will get you a better background of what you want to discuss.
@gsmyoda : There are some concerns about openGL and gaming with n900 (an small recompiled file from community to enable it)
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_API
And check this one as well: http://mono-project.com/Main_Page
@Apocalypso : "Improve yourself" = Reading a book or two about programming with C++ or any language you like. (Python isn't a language of choice here). I might suggest as you are running Symbian-Freak to learn C++ and then slowly move into Symbian C++. This will get you a better background of what you want to discuss.
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by krisq » 07 Sep 2009, 09:31
People will bash N97 to no-end because it didn't live up to huge, huge expectations.
That's why I stopped listening to people here when it comes to devices I'm interested in. Anyone saying N97 is a piece of shit is right, just like anyone saying N97 is perfect and without flaws is right too. Bottom line is, there will never gonna be a device that will please core and casual user at the same time. That's why we have to deal with opinions.
One thing though. I hate opinions based on what the person have read somewhere and never actually used or even held the device in question. There is a bunch here. That's right, you know who you are.
That's why I stopped listening to people here when it comes to devices I'm interested in. Anyone saying N97 is a piece of shit is right, just like anyone saying N97 is perfect and without flaws is right too. Bottom line is, there will never gonna be a device that will please core and casual user at the same time. That's why we have to deal with opinions.
One thing though. I hate opinions based on what the person have read somewhere and never actually used or even held the device in question. There is a bunch here. That's right, you know who you are
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by doks » 07 Sep 2009, 11:17
The N97 is a phone you would either love or hate. I've had mine since its launch and there quite some things I like and some that I don't.
For example most people like the slide up display which I don't like one bit after using it for a while. The angle is not what I like when using a phone. I like to use more shortcuts that widgets to access what I need.
Though the N900 is not perfect, it addresses some of the major problems I had with the N97.
I would expect some problems also with the N900 when it comes out and if they are not major I would learn to live with it.
For example most people like the slide up display which I don't like one bit after using it for a while. The angle is not what I like when using a phone. I like to use more shortcuts that widgets to access what I need.
Though the N900 is not perfect, it addresses some of the major problems I had with the N97.
I would expect some problems also with the N900 when it comes out and if they are not major I would learn to live with it.
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